That question is pretty dangerous. Vs a gladiator, the DA has more chances to win. But vs other classes such as destro, or tyrant, the DA really gets pwned. As you see, the SK is a more offensive tank, with low hp but with great pdef and shield success rate. Anti archers, go for sk. That panther is useless vs glad because it's melee, and one sonic boom as i call it and panther is dead.

If you're lower rate or playing c4, go for sk without doubt. Catacombs parties will welcome you, you will be wanted because of the hex. And in pvp as i said. The damage output is greater than DA.

Sk is really good

i think DA in pvp masswar or train it is good . DA is best choice

In mass pvp the DA is weak because of lower pdef and speed.

With Imperial/Tateossian:
DA
Without Majesty:
P.Def. 1853 M.Def. 1310
With Majesty:
P.Def. 2090 M.Def. 1310

SK
P.Def. 1853 M.Def. 1329

And what comes for speed, Hamstring/Shackle/Shield Stun ftw

Forgetting guard stance?

2090 pdef, 1329 mdef, and a lot more shield def rate.

And what comes for speed, you can't hamstring, shackle or shield stun the whole arena. And in mass pvp the dps is important, and there you will see that the sk is ahead.

Dark avenger > gladiator
Dueslist > hellknight

What i mean is that not a glady is that GREAT and AWEASOME PvP char but duelist is.Maybee the guy is playing on a low rate server and he himself said he is a newbie and he will go crazy lvl'ing a glady to lvl 76 cuz until then glady can't even pve well !!!

IMO u should chose DA/HELLKNIGHT

I can kill DA with Prophet or bishop )

Nopes, I didn't forget the Guard Stance, I just didn't include it because it continuously consumes MP. I took majesty into calculation as it is a 5min buff.
And your rechargers should rather concentrate more in recharging Ur archers/nuker/healers instead of the tanks. And yeah SK indeed has more Shield Def. rate, but don't remember how much the difference would be, so can't argue about that atm, I have to check that out at some point...
And yeah ofc U can't Hams/Shack/Stun them all, but as a Tank, Ur job is to distract/bully Ur enemies so that your "real" DDs are able to take them down with having lesser danger in dying themselves. And as a SK, your speed is naturally bigger than with DA what is a big +. I'm not saying that is the only thing tanks can do, as they can be rly mean with bow
And in end game PvP it's all about the spike dmg

yeah, and perhaps your experince in PvPing dorfs and mobs will pay of here. I think you u are drunk of not feeling good

a buffer has no chance in hell vs DA even on self buffs, little less the bishop !!!

what can pp do in a pvp ? root @DA use nightmare set. what elsE ? he can buff, so what ?

what can bishop do ? HEAL, but it cannot heal to the infite since he will run out of mp

DA has dark panther, stun, hamstring and in case of higher lvl's he has touch of death but when pvp'ing pp or bishop he will not have the condition to use it ^^.

*Also do not forget the cubics

DA has no cubics... and yes a bishop can kill a DA along with all the other tanks, once u get out of mana and u can`t stun - u die and yes the bish will live long enought to drain all your mp , the HP is easy after that. The panter that creature is made to be sleeped, rooted or stunned. DA will kill duelists but never a bishop...

ok this is interesting, I would rly, rly like to know how you are supposed to beat a tank with a Bish (or anything else)... Even if you would somehow manage to survive to the point where the tank has no more MP, how in the name of god you are goin' to do atleast some dmg to tank? You think your damage overhelms DAs? or any other character for that matter...
I don't know where "Balanced/Custom/PvP server" U have been but that wasn't even funny...
Oh yeah and what comes in cubics, they doesn't make that much of a difference...
I understand when a PP ownz tanks in Oly, but this...

Light armor + fist weapon / dual sword - SA HP ... maybe i should tell u the dyes too ? Yea i play on the same edited private servers u all do mr.PRO u are speaking about DA not exactly the best DD there is. After u kill the panther with a bow. U can begin pwning the DA with the fist/dual dont forget a tank with no mana to use UD or drains ( DA,SK ) is a dead tank, no stun ither so it come to who has the better MP regen - DA or BISH - well i think every NAAB knows that answer. The DA makes 1k-1,5k dmg on the bish for a 20-30 secs enough time for the bish to regen mana for heal ? What now does it still sound so imposible, both bish and DA aint DDs but DA nas no heal so after a long battle the DA will fall. I hope it wa clear enought even for u to understand. The bish has more buffs than the DA so in OLy it will be even easier. And pls forget that "In the name of god" its not cool, its lame u have to respect your god if u have any

and while bishop will be draining the DA's mp, the tank will be sitting in a corner and drinking beer

the DA will run after the bish and in the end he will catch it, and then STUN !!!

bishop and pp/ee/se have no chance of killing in pvp even if the idea of draining mp sounds good

okey, feel free to continue this at http://forum.pmfun.com/viewtopic.php?t=1095 =)