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PostPosted: Thu May 08, 2008 10:13 pm 
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honestly i dont know how its full buffed .
but at oly the main problem is the servitor which u can cast sleep on(casting speed of skill sux) or if you get lucky to have an augment root that will certanly do
after you do that your cp=o most probably thinking the necro hit u constantly.if you manage to go near him and many AURA FLARE his skill will be canceled
its the only way i see,that summon is so overpwd and you can't aford to ignore it
also,if he tryies to cast curses while you take care of summon u can do the usual fire vortex-many prominance
if the curses do not fail,the pvp is over and he wins :D


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PostPosted: Fri May 09, 2008 4:04 pm 
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guys get a GRIP!

Ur saying there r 4 buff for dark resistance.
I supposed you know a lot of ppl walking around with all 4 buffs eh?

Face it, self buffed archmage VS soultaker is a pointless pvp
soultaker will ALWAYS win. (propably wihout losing a single point of his HP)

So dont say that there 4 anti dark buffs. In official you never going to have them all 4. You can have unhloy resistance when u exp i agree but know that.

Unholy resistance has lower power than fire/wind/water resistance just to know.

Also a ST may have fire resistance/elemental protection and the song of flame guard. Arhamage will hit for 500dmg max

Lets say archmage with all 4 buffs of dark resistance. Let me pick 4 buffs for necro too, so it can be honest pvp...

hmmm... Acumen/resist fire or elemental protection/dance of mystic/empower

I realy dont think that archamage can resist silence(95% landing btw)/anchor/curse of doom/curse of abyss and more more debuffs

You also forget smthing about necro: he has dark vortex(drain)/vampiric claw(drain)/ds/silence/gloom/cod/coa and dont forget a pet with 2k p.attack and transfer pain which is just too overpowerd while archmage has fire vortex/prominence/resist to fire and an aura thats lower the m.attack of the user.

Dude get out of this forum and come back when silence will have a 95% land rate. It has a 80% BASE land rate, which means that with mental shield things get fucked up.
Give me a fucking break about unholy resistance okay? You're so dumb, you didn't notice: that's the buff in plus, what the fuck are you supposed to compare it with? Get your freaking facts straight. In self buff st will always win? You are really forgetting about cancel aren't you?



you will cast cansel while on self buff? for what? to cansel his lvl3 con? good fight :shock:

Exactly.
And have you ever heard of aura flash? It's a serious thing, you know...

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PostPosted: Fri May 09, 2008 9:17 pm 
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Icarus wrote:
huggybear wrote:
Icarus wrote:
huggybear wrote:
guys get a GRIP!

Ur saying there r 4 buff for dark resistance.
I supposed you know a lot of ppl walking around with all 4 buffs eh?

Face it, self buffed archmage VS soultaker is a pointless pvp
soultaker will ALWAYS win. (propably wihout losing a single point of his HP)

So dont say that there 4 anti dark buffs. In official you never going to have them all 4. You can have unhloy resistance when u exp i agree but know that.

Unholy resistance has lower power than fire/wind/water resistance just to know.

Also a ST may have fire resistance/elemental protection and the song of flame guard. Arhamage will hit for 500dmg max

Lets say archmage with all 4 buffs of dark resistance. Let me pick 4 buffs for necro too, so it can be honest pvp...

hmmm... Acumen/resist fire or elemental protection/dance of mystic/empower

I realy dont think that archamage can resist silence(95% landing btw)/anchor/curse of doom/curse of abyss and more more debuffs

You also forget smthing about necro: he has dark vortex(drain)/vampiric claw(drain)/ds/silence/gloom/cod/coa and dont forget a pet with 2k p.attack and transfer pain which is just too overpowerd while archmage has fire vortex/prominence/resist to fire and an aura thats lower the m.attack of the user.

Dude get out of this forum and come back when silence will have a 95% land rate. It has a 80% BASE land rate, which means that with mental shield things get fucked up.
Give me a fucking break about unholy resistance okay? You're so dumb, you didn't notice: that's the buff in plus, what the fuck are you supposed to compare it with? Get your freaking facts straight. In self buff st will always win? You are really forgetting about cancel aren't you?



you will cast cansel while on self buff? for what? to cansel his lvl3 con? good fight :shock:

Exactly.
And have you ever heard of aura flash? It's a serious thing, you know...



hungrybear i don't know what necro u fought on ofi but those land rates are BULLSH1T. the chance won't be that high on a destro and you are saying it's so big on a archmage ? and silence 95% land rate? yea +23 it is 95% land rate...cod/coa/anchor have low chance to land and vs the archmage's m def it will be lowered.also on fullbuff cancel = bye nerco. and pls you ca always fear the necro , kill the summon and finish off the necro after that ( fear land rate is twice higher than cod/coa/anchor so the necro will cry ).and yea , necro has 2 long distance nukes + 1 vortex and sorc has 1 long dist + 1 short dist + 1 vortex + decay+ best surrender ingame vs gloom .you said you want facts ? - 40 % fire resist vs - 23% m def . last time i played a nuker 17% wasn't a little. sorc has decent chances vs a necro and I'd not agree on the opposite unless you prove it

PS : sorc can still interupt the necro s nukes with aura flash like icarus AND hit the summon at the same time . 3 aoe atacks has the sorc and necro has 0..


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PostPosted: Fri May 09, 2008 10:52 pm 
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yes:) u r avsolutly right the AOEs can help him if the necro is close to cast some curses or to use day of doom..u flash use AOE use vortex again aoe buster flash again aoe..its possible cuz till the necro comes u actually put on him fire vortex and lower his cast spd so u have time to aura flash him and cast next spell+surender or whatever u try to do:)


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PostPosted: Sat May 10, 2008 10:44 am 
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first of all my nick is huggybear not hungrybear ty :P :P

I pvp again with my friend ST lvl 77

Self buffed. same sets (dc+som acum+maj j)

#Round 1#

Started with fire vortex+2 prominence(+4 power) and his pet is gone

he came close and When i was casting fear he silenced me. end of pvp

#Round 2#

Started with fire vortex on necro. 2 prominence and he came close i started to flash. His pet stuned me and then he used silence and cod and i felt cod. end of pvp

#Round 3#

Started with fear at his pet. the pet run away and transfer pain was gone!

i continued with fire vortex and i start to run. Used decay. he tryed to use curse me and i used flash. I supposed he lost his target cause for 1-3sec he didnt do anything. I fire vortexed him again.(his pet was back) he used dark vortex+gloom(both landed) and vc and i started flash and flare. I died but i left him with 300hp.

#Round 4#

same as above but he silenced me (pet stunned me AGAIN FFS).

#Round 5 (with tatte set)#

same as #Round 3# but the curses never landed! killed him and i had 1k hp to spare.

#Round 6 (i had tatte set and he had arcana mace +60 Dark Attribute)#

I felt silence+cod+anchor :D :D

conclusion

I must craft tatte set :) :)


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u see?! ffs.. the difference in lvl and eq= all..and cmon u r not high enough.. when u get ur vortex buster u will see the power of the sorc..and 1 question why u dont flash the noob summone when it comes to stun u?u didnt try cancelation?(u sayd u had buffs)
round 1-u should not fear or smth else.. flash+start kicking his ass
flash makes u untargeted + some bonus time to surender and vortex
or flash+cancelation..spam flashes ftw:Dand if the vortex lands..wo0 his cast is equal to shit compared to your cast:D


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PostPosted: Sun May 11, 2008 12:35 am 
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as far as i see it 2 or 3 times his pet was your demise
either he stunned or he used him for his trasnfer pain skill
witout it he would have been dead many times

and as a little side note the necro is NOTHING without his summon
AND DONT YOU ARGUE WITH ME BECASE ITS TRUE !!!!!


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PostPosted: Sun May 11, 2008 1:15 am 
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necro its one of the best Class is a good summoner good dd and good curser on mages if silence land its over if that didnt happen cursed man with stun and 2k patk will do the job and the range of a necro its really big , on fighters slow curse chaos curse of doom(soultaker) maiby anchor and its over ..................i have necro 66 on wrath and i silence a archamage 77 in duel and i let my summon to do the job (i didnt want to waste my mana :P)................me again vs phantom summoner 77 i silence the summoner and curse chaos the summon and me with my cursed man win the duel.....................................NECROMANCER is The BEST :twisted:

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necro its one of the best Class is a good summoner good dd and good curser on mages if silence land its over if that didnt happen cursed man with stun and 2k patk will do the job and the range of a necro its really big , on fighters slow curse chaos curse of doom(soultaker) maiby anchor and its over ..................i have necro 66 on wrath and i silence a archamage 77 in duel and i let my summon to do the job (i didnt want to waste my mana :P)................me again vs phantom summoner 77 i silence the summoner and curse chaos the summon and me with my cursed man win the duel.....................................NECROMANCER is The BEST :twisted:

ok first gg for the pvps
secound go play tettris or something because if you think necro is the best then you havent pvped pro sph or sts
sph vs necro sph wins even if necro has summon on he drains the summon or fears him then nukes the hell our of the necro


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PostPosted: Sun May 11, 2008 9:21 am 
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without summon...hmm let's say i managed to kill a necro with som+acu+3 when i had dasp clean(me=2 c earrings!!!,him all majestic)
curses DONT have a such big rate.if u say they do,ok than same for curse fear and its just about who casts the curse faster :D
Archmage is based on canceling the enemy spell,while distracting/killing the servitor thats where the concentration skill lvl makes the difference


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PostPosted: Sun May 11, 2008 1:08 pm 
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lol necro is overpowered since C4.
Only a few classes can kill necro 1 vs 1 with same buffs lol.

Thing is, now that u have fire buster on your sorc, you have pretty good chances like any other nuker actually.

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PostPosted: Sun May 11, 2008 1:47 pm 
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First of all. Lets face it. Necro without his summon is quite easy to kill. Although his curses are very dangerous!

Fire buster is a very tricky skill. Use it and the effects of fire vortex (lower c.speed/speed) will dissapear!

Its not like: "oh! fire vortex succed lets buster him!"

You must know when to use buster and if its worth to cast it. I havent got it yet but one clan m8 says thats causes good dmg but not extremely big dmg!

As the other thing about necro vs other mages...

Necro vs sph... necro has better c.speed and m.def while sph has better m.attack...

I thing that necro will silence/cod him first. But if ur playing against a experienced sph no one stand a chanse. I have seen only 1 sph at c5 killing 10ppl and stopped because he run out of mp...

He will use wind vortex from distance,dark vortex, and then silence and of pvp for sure. Or wv/dv/then 3-4 nukes (ds/tw) and for cherry pie a wind buster :P

sps has a lot m.def and he will do the same as above:

slow at necro and then iv/lv/solar/hydro+++... and ice buster

It is very difficult for necro to beat the sps/sph because sps has great c.speed/m.def/2 vortex/2 very good nukes/a good slow and sph has great m.attack/2 vortex/ and 4(!!!) nukes beside curses (silence).

But necro own melee classes (transfer pain) for sure while other mages have difficulties. My friend ST has pvped at IT with 1 adventurer/1 HE and 1 GS! 3 vs 1 and he beat them. Any else mage would have died for sure :D


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my point was trying vortex and if it succeses flash the necro and concentrate on the summon..he will loose some seconds and u win in the 1st part of the duel-the summon is down...now he needs to come close to u and cast curse of abyss or smth else.. but u keep distance ofc and surender+promi promi promi..and flash again and again vortex+buster and u finish him:Dthe aura flash is very very tricky:Dit pwnz


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my point was trying vortex and if it succeses flash the necro and concentrate on the summon..he will loose some seconds and u win in the 1st part of the duel-the summon is down...now he needs to come close to u and cast curse of abyss or smth else.. but u keep distance ofc and surender+promi promi promi..and flash again and again vortex+buster and u finish him:Dthe aura flash is very very tricky:Dit pwnz


the thing is that flash doesnt always cancel the target of the enemy :?


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well the thing is we here talk bout self buffs+prolly the vortex has landed at full power..well if not u just continue the battle till the flash reuses:D


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