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PostPosted: Sat Mar 08, 2008 3:57 pm 
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Atlant, the dex isn't that important, i would rather look for dps on a dagger, and that's where aw excells.

Aw has better damage per blow than the pw, and he has hex to fuel the damage.

Now, th is something: he beats the other daggers with NO problem, but that's UNTIL lvl 66. At lvl 66, the pw and aw gets mortal strike lvl 2, and the th is starting to get into trouble, because the aw and pw blow land rate will be superior. At lvl 78, the th is officially the worst dagger class, because he is only good for backstabbing. That's the only case when he can make considerable damage.

The aw and pw at lvl 78 do more dps from front, because of superior blow land rate, and from the back the damage is outstanding. In other words, if you get an aw at the back of an enemy he will fall in under 5 seconds if the enemy is a mage.

From th vs aw, trust me, go for aw. Very good at pve too.

proof for playing l2j servers , and never with TH class :) imo u never played a server which had retail mirage skill

a TH with +dc set (evasion increase) and mirage .... switch trick

u can never loose

Well, waza, if a noob like you plays vs a th he will lose. You see, target shifting rarely affects me visibly. In c4 people used to say 'dude you're so lucky you only get turned by a bluff's stun, you never get bluff turn'. I suggest see on youtube movies about real daggers and see that a trick/switch never stands in their way.

And don't bring word about dvp because he's a silly targeter.


anyway i didnt read so carefully your post but i didnt saw word mirage there.... so if u really find out how powerful it is contact me again


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look here the power of mirage , dc + 6 set , passive skill augment evasion lvl 10

http://www.livepvp.com/index.php?p=view ... ileid=1504


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There are just isolated incidents, they don't happen all the time. There are persons that didn't experience target loss in the past, inexperienced persons. I'd like to see that mirage on me sometimes.

Anyway, good movie, i was expecting something awful from your side but the movie is really well-made.


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Icarus wrote:
There are just isolated incidents, they don't happen all the time. There are persons that didn't experience target loss in the past, inexperienced persons. I'd like to see that mirage on me sometimes.

Anyway, good movie, i was expecting something awful from your side but the movie is really well-made.


u said u play on dex or whatever l2off , let me tell you something .. in all of them mirage is bugged those guys in the vid was hiting the TH 30% of the time 1 hit ... another after 10 seconds until they realise they dont have target :P


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I know, mirage isn't behaving naturally here, like all the full interlude servers. Still, it's behaving close. It blows your target even if you aren't hitting the th. Still, mirage isn't everything... Especially in skilled pvp.


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donno about u but i think atlant talks much bullcrap...all classes in this fkin game called l2 are balanced FFS!!! u cant say best dagger ot watevah!pw is a nice dagger with very nice atk spd..crit chance.. but fkin low dmg fkin low hp and fkin pussyyyy look!but that was offtopic sry
NOW we have aw vs th
Aw-low hp a bit lower dex but fkin high str and hex+powerbrake+poisons bleeds and etc that can help(imo) fkin hard blowkrits and normal krits but main - is low hp
TH-very balanced easy to play high str+con but not so much str as the aw has and lower dex than aw/pw has fake death that helps in most of cases and has dash:)
ye u will say that blinding blow boosts speed but ffs dash is v nice too..
SO--> if u like easy and calm playing take the TH cuz has v nice hp
if u want something harder but way more interesting choose the aw.I like AW cuz i just like reading the high dmg dealt by me due to crit:D


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TH is the most balanced daggerer and that makes him the best. AW has critical power, PW has critical chance, TH has both. He has high str, high con, and if you put an +4dex -5con dye he will rulle for sure. He has lvl 3 Boost Atk Speed, verry good evasion(well...this is for all daggerers :D ) and if you pvp an archer or nuker..dash helps alot :) . Bluff->Backstab->Critical Blow->Deadly Blow->Lethal Blow and he's down :P .

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You two guys never played balanced servers. I think you played servers where dash lasts 2 minutes and critical blow lasts one minute, else i can't explain.

@GoDs3nD: 'aw has lower dex' what the fuck does that mean? 1 dex lower than the pw lol? And about pw: pw pwns th anytime, pw has focus death, th may have crit chance, critical power and boost attack speed, but where's his blow land rate? He has trouble landing his blows, when th doesn't land his blow it's something he's used to, but the aw and pw don't miss blows that much. When you turn your back from a th it's bad. When you turn your back from an aw or pw it's death.

NOW, th has no slow whatsoever. That's 1. Th has shitty damage output. That's 2... 3: th isn't the type of char that you are afraid to show your back to. Remember that aw and pw have focus death? Focus death means +90% damage from behind. And that's something you should consider.

I don't want you guys say that th is 'the most balanced' because he's not. If he's balanced, why does he lack adaptability? Where's his slow, where are his debuffs that help a party? Aw has hex, power break and a mediocre slow. Pw has a great slow. Where's the th in a party? He's not even in the party. The aw is welcomed in fighter parties because hex is really great in catacombs/necropolises and high lvl zones. Conclusion? Th isn't balanced. He's the tank type of dagger that doesn't do much damage.

@aditzu: +4 dex -4 con on th? Man that's the worst thing you could do to a th. His base dex is low, so if you put dex you don't gain much. You choose to drop con!? Look here pal, who taught you l2? Th has weak base dex but has a lot of base con. You may notice that the higher the attribute, the higer of that you gain, but it's also the higher that you lose. Let's take an example:

PW lvl 80, unbuffed (con = 36): HP 4066 CP 1626
TH lvl 80, unbuffed (con = 43): HP 4484 CP 1793

Now look at -4 con for th.
PW lvl 80, unbuffed (con = 36): HP 4066 CP 1626
TH lvl 80, unbuffed (con = 39): HP 3973 CP 1589

Amazing huh? More con and lesser hp. Let's see what happens if we do -7 con.
PW lvl 80, unbuffed (con = 36): HP 4066 CP 1626
TH lvl 80, unbuffed (con = 36): HP 3632 CP 1453

Never drop con on th.


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so whats dye is best for treasure hunter?


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No dye's!!!


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reroll if you have th

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If you don't wanna, go for -5 str +5 dex cause you rely on your grinding passives, so it would be good to make them better.

Remember that th and aw can use a bow the most efficiently. The th because he has lots of good passives and aw because he has hex.


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pff pw has higher chance of of crits ffs... 1 dex makes the difference...and why u forget that th has higher hp/cp ?! wtf?! there are no fkin classes that suck or that cant beat other classes...ffs...no logic..why should ncsoft give us a game whre th sux and aw and pw are better!?!?!there are different cases ffs!stop talking bullshi7... 1 is 4 sure dont go -con...that sux.. and if u have-con on ur aw.. ur allready dead..and forget aboout bullshi7 who is the best dagger..
If u cant decide what dyes to choose or u havent considered what playstyle u like just dont use those dyes...no dyes doesnt mean game over..
P.S:Icarus before talking bullshi7 about the things i wrote read first whole post..dont rush into argue with me..i dont like to pwn people with words...
SO ALL I HAD TO SAY I SAYD IN THOSE 2 POSTS..


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wtf?! there are no fkin classes that suck or that cant beat other classes...ffs...no logic..why should ncsoft give us a game whre th sux and aw and pw are better!?.
You are wrong.
L2 was never balanced. In every chronicle there were couple fotm classes.
And warlord for example, was always useless.

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pff pw has higher chance of of crits ffs... 1 dex makes the difference...and why u forget that th has higher hp/cp ?! wtf?! there are no fkin classes that suck or that cant beat other classes...ffs...no logic..why should ncsoft give us a game whre th sux and aw and pw are better!?!?!there are different cases ffs!stop talking bullshi7... 1 is 4 sure dont go -con...that sux.. and if u have-con on ur aw.. ur allready dead..and forget aboout bullshi7 who is the best dagger..
If u cant decide what dyes to choose or u havent considered what playstyle u like just dont use those dyes...no dyes doesnt mean game over..
P.S:Icarus before talking bullshi7 about the things i wrote read first whole post..dont rush into argue with me..i dont like to pwn people with words...
SO ALL I HAD TO SAY I SAYD IN THOSE 2 POSTS..

You are so wrong. Dex doesn't influence blow land rate anymore. That was a c4 thing. Even if it did influence, 1 dex wasn't the apropriate difference.
Btw, i'm not talking bullshit, you can't say aw or pw is the best dagger. For example, the th is very efficient in pve for pulling mobs and he's great for pve. You see, th usually loses the pvp vs other daggers, but he's good at other fields.


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