it works , just heal the destro from 20% to 30%

yea thats what i know too as long as u have a nice tank u can get a destro party in BW heavy or even in PL sets and still own. true no vampiric for the destroes

But the tank can stay with the aggro even with some destro in frenzy mode?
I think this is a very hard thing to do :s

What amount of DMG does this ubber Destro do on a RB ? Fofurion Herald Lokness for instance ?
PLZ give me the regular DMG and Critical DMG...
I just want to know .

P.S. I play on serwer with RBs that are ~50% stronger then official, and i do not see any possibilities to go for a RB with any melee chars.

just lol , never heard that rb have -50% pdef and +100% mdef ? seems so , with 1 pala/tk , buffers and destro/tyr u make the raid faster than with the mage pt yes but he need mp pots

you dont need a tank in pt if you hav a destro party because the rb will die in 5 min

maybe true but than the destro that gets the agro of rb must use guts

Yeah, READ ALL THE POSTS BEFORE.
We're talking about CT1, so the Destro need to be in 30% LESS HP. They will die very fast


@atlant448
My server don't have mana Pots, so the tankers have do spam Agrresion+Hate Aura and need many recharges as they need?

[My 5 cents]

I play Tank (DA) on Ct1 private server (rates x5) no mana pots

I always take a role of party leader (not in game - I give orders to ppl)
I killed many Raidbosses

We alwasy try to have
Tank
Bishop or Elven Elder (healer), if you use Bishop you still need EE
Shillen Elder or Elven Elder if main healer is Bishop (emergency healer and recharger) before CT1 most of recharges was used on tank to keep up hate spam
Blade Dancer - only performs 2 dances - Dance of the Mystic and Dance of Concentration
Rest are nukers

Prophet outside of party
Rechargers are always good thing, as already said you want to have 1 recharger every 2 nukers. But if you dont have them raid wont fall apart.

For some bosses take more healers and make separate party for Tank + healers, DD party made of Blade Dancer and Nukers

It is imperative that healers are active (not Boxed)

Before nukers start nuking tank should use agression on raid boss about 5-6 times, this is mostly important if Boss use stun - if you use aggression once and boss will stun you, this alwasy means that some Nukers will die, becouse you will loose aggro of boss very fast.

If tank have space he should run around nuker party nad use aggresion as soon he is able.

Nukers should always have some form of leader - most skilled and aware player out thare (and I am not talking about lvl), rest assists him whenever minions spawn (right click on name), this way minions are little problem.

In ct1 tank dont need to be separate recharger, like in interlude and ealier chronicles, just once in awhile he should be recharged by anyone able.

Rest is just the case of some time.

Most bosses will die before you will need rebuff.

BTW I know about destro party, but its like a myth. Some ppl did this once or twice and the myth lives on - many ppl who dont even know anyone who did this, they just belive in everything they find on forums. Dont belive in this crap. If you want to kill bosses take standard party.

[/my 5 cents]

pff i think that u sayd should know any retard....u make tank pt and dd pt...but rly is very stupid the new t1 thing with frienzy..i can imagine how isa ur frienzy going off when u hit 2 crits with vamp buff...But i think now should be v nice to have tyrants.. with theyr superb atk spd and frienzy and crit chance they should do v nice job..ofc u need a bd buffers(maybe ol/wc) and ofc healers+a tank but its gona be hard to keep the mob agro...i think mages aint so good after the m def boost of the bosses..donno maybe CDL is still v nice but i absolutely disagree the idea to raid with archers.... blah..daggers maybe.. since they have v nice lethals but.. hmm i think best is with tyrants if not tell ur opinion

1. Tyrants dont have frenzy.
2. Why buff vampiric on a destro if u know he will lose frenzy in 2 hits? Answer: u dont buff vampiric on the destro.
3. Tyrants PVE totem is called bison and he is only active under 30% hp, meaning ? U dont buff vampiric on the tyrant ither .
4. Tank role. U begin with agresion and UD, not only agresion and u dont run arround with healers on your ass. Let the do their job.
5. Best RB party still destro party - only the buff habits will have to change and an assisting healer might be necessary thats all.
6. Tyrants have a good dmg output, but still if the RB losses agro they die easier than destroes and they wont give time for the assistent healer to act. Tyrants are good for asistant dmg party - in the worst case they can act like destros

Tyrant and GL can't act like DS.

I beg to differ there is no place to compare tyrant and glad there from different planets.Try using the calculator for dps. Basicly full buffed dmg output on max lvl would look smth like this on same target:
glad: 2-3k p.s.
tyrant: 12k+ p.s.
destro: 15k+ p.s.

Best party that you can ever have is
1) PP
2) SE
3) BD
4) Tank - the best one is DA
5) the rest of the party is for mages, only SH or Necros. Other mages sux hard on rb.

Ofcourse you can have PP offparty, but it is better to have him on party.

If PP and SE work together then they can easly heal tank. Actually from now only thing that matters is experience of players (tank and SE) 'coz from my experience you can have same lvl, same equip tanks but one will die most of the time while other will be able to hold red RBs 99% of the time.
You have to rememmber that there are RB's that require 2 parties, never try them with just one party, it's suicide.
Tank has to kite RB all the time. I know some tanks that rearely use UD, but are pros in kiting and they can kite almost all rb's.
Ofcourse it is better that all party is equiped with Tatoos, SA in their weapons (Tank has to have +25% HP SA) and best armor they can have.
Some good tanks also use HP pots. You can use next one from the moment the first one has 5 sec left. It is good because SE can easly recharge mages MP from time to time.

Also tanks must know the difference between Aggro and Hate. Hate is for RB and minions, Aggro is used when there are no minions left or RB is alone. Also some tanks use Aggro on RB's with minions when minions are blue, but RB is light blue, because if you use hate, then tank gets frozen.

1. WC
2. BD
3,4,5,6,7,8,9. destroes in rage+frenzy+zealot