Well............if u were on C4, then yes, c. speed is all. BUT. SPH got some evolution as time goes............. He has MUCH MORE M. atack then ever before. His base casting speed is not that bad. if you add 15% casting speed, its greater bonus for SPS then for SPH. If you add 15% additional M.atck, its MUCH more greater bonus for SPH. Let me explain..........

SPH: 44 base int (48/49 with dyes) /SPS: 37 base int (41/42 with dyes)
SPH: arcane power + empowering echo /SPS: arcana power
SPH:19 base WIT (23/24 with dyes) /SPS: 23base WIT (27/28 with dyes)

As you can see, SPH gets his m. atack from his very high INT, and from 2 skills that add % bonus (i think so). Its much more better to stack those % bonuses to get extra load of m.atack, instead of increasing his cast speed, which is not so great.

Anyway, its quite logical to max-up a stat you rely on.

let me say it again with more detail

MA set shows its true potencial in full buff were almost nothing can interrupt you ( except a to village message ) and your cast speed will be over 1k

DC set is good both in ch buffs only and full buff but in full buff the set loses terrain to MA set

the outcome i see if you use MA set in ch buffs vs differnt classes

Daggers : before you cast a vortex he can reach you and from that point you can expect to lose target almost instantly because of bluff/trick/switch and mirage ( if his th )
Archers : you can win here because he wont have much attack speed with ch buffs and his patk wont hurt so much also with the 50 % stun resist your in advantage
Tanks : you can pwn them even without weapon
Mages : here depends on situation but you will 60 % lose if your not carefull
heavy fighters ( glad destro tyrant etc ) : land slow and your za bomb even with the low cast speed

with DC set is mostly the same only vs daggers you wil manage to cast a vortex before he is near you and vs mages you have higher chance because of cast speed

Agree.And you have lower chance vs. archers due to no stun resist.

dance of conc gives resistance

@mistral u miss it again my friend
ch =conc 6 included
no fuking STS farms solo as i said above
if all ppl were like u in ur manapotion servers bds wouldnt exist at all

when u have the proper level to use MA set u go farming only in pt or at least boxed char
the topic asks wich is the best MA or DC
MA=76+
i would like to see u soloing 76+ mobs !
76+=raidbosses=mass pvp
sieges=mass pvp
mos and etc pts=at least party vs party pvp
and last but not least if u are 76+ and u can afford a MA set that means u have a clan and ally wich means u have clanwars so mass pvps are guaranteed all the way folks

the matk is not the only thing that makes me pick the MA armor
keep in mind that mages fear the sph most!
the vortex does its job great!so dont talk bullshit about low cast spd vs mages
and as said above-->no elemental resitance can be added to dc..

In small scale pvp I'd take DC.
In big scale pvp I'd still take DC tho MA is good.
If i could get attribute stones I'd get MA.
Damage difference ain't as big as some people think.
Max difference it can reach is like 1,700 m att or so end game.
Means like 8000 vs 6300 or so.

On just CH buffs , damage difference is really small...
When you'll have cast vortex and surrender damage difference with
dc and ma will be 3200 --> 3600 thats like 13% more damage?
On pvp will be way less ofc, 1500 dmg vs ch buffed targets when on DC
and 1700 aprox when you wear MA.

On full buffs things change...
You'll hit targets who have resists etc for 1300 with dc and 1700 with ma when full buffed VS full resist targets. Means like +30% damage?

Imo I still go for DC on full buff pvp cuz you can't rly be interrupted
in such pvp since you have big casting and renewal.
Not like archers will prefer stun over normal hits on full buff pvp...

So the real question when full support is +30% damage or +22% cast ?

keep in mind that MA gives more P.def ... MA = low a gr light armor's p.def which is kinda good cuz we are talking to glass cannon( mage )

DC is the set that has best p def after MA and Dynasty.
So what if it's low A, gives extra p def as set bonus.

And once again, it's 20x easier to OE DC than MA for better p def...
It's 50x easier to OE DC than get attribute stones for MA (Retail i mean)

So it all comes down to preference...
Up to Gracia 1, in some given time you'll do almost same dmg with DC and MA cuz of C speed vs M att. Now that reuse is cut to 1/4 and c speed / att speed does no longer influence reuse (Gracia 2), MA is better than it used to be.

pff what a brickhead
talk whatever u want noob
when u face a mage in ma robe and elem res. with ur noobo dc ill see u then
anyway talk whatever u want its ur opinion

1) That's your opinion.

2) Do what you wanna do, it's your game play NOT mine. Same for the thread starter.

/end story 4 me

With fullbuff w/o empowering echo - DC M.attack 5504. casting 1412
MA M.attack 6699 casting 1170

P. def difference is 90.

I totaly agree with opinion, that DE looks like idiot with MA robe.

You're annoying as fuck.
You say stuff and can't even justify your choice. = Pure idiot.

Ban for stupidity imo

O.K.

go learn some english mate!

Don't forget that oe dc is way harder to get than a +4/+3 ma set. The point is that even if you get attribute stones better, you may have to settle for a normal dc.


Anyway, it depends on playstyle also. I feel very uncomfortable if I'm casting fast but my damage isn't high. That's why I don't exactly like spellsingers.

But point for point, ma is better than dc imo.

thanks guys for posting ^^

It think MA is the best choice for 76+..

but in my server I can't seem to afford it right away..

it costs about 1 billion adena

but I'm planning to buy Arcana mace.. which

costs roughly about 550 mil without added SA... T.T

sigh... and I currently have a 100mil..

so I was thinking of buying DC robe set first... and then save... save...

and save... until I could afford MA

bright side... I could have best of both worlds then




P.S.

I'll be posting my character here wearing DC set...

btw... the results for the poll was really close ^^

which suggests that it's REALLY ALL ABOUT PERSONAL CHOICE

AGAIN THANKS GUYS!!!..

who's that?



P.S.

I know this has nothing to do with the topic... but I can't help myself...

needed to ask.. o.O