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PostPosted: Mon Oct 13, 2008 9:45 pm 
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Who cares about English?

About Destros:

I don't know shit about 'em, but -DEX is never a good option.

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 13, 2008 10:00 pm 
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agree
dex is the best , good with all fighters and all mages

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 13, 2008 10:26 pm 
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atlant448 wrote:
well the critical rate i wouldnt say is useless , yes with HD u get max without dex too , but for some time i was trying DHA crit dmg and dex , well wasnt so bad
btw for shalana u think 20%atkspd , 20%spd , 5%vamp is worth of all cov ? omg .. better to choose more critical,cov , with 5% more vamp u dont become imortal , u are already


Why do ppl underestimate PoWi so much?
And BTW who cares about PoWi or CoV if both makes u immortal?
OMG stop that CoV>all.
YES COV IS > all IN PVP!!! (But not for daggers)

I have PoWi and im happy with it. Also SE can remove paralyzis. And what WC do? Stay and wait u to die. Maybe use chant of life but if u get a para u are dead.
And what if u get cancel at catacomb forexample?
WC can't rebuff u. Not enough mana :P

That is my opinion. Don't like it? Who cares? I know i can play like this and i never die.


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PostPosted: Mon Oct 13, 2008 10:35 pm 
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1. i never said cov is better of powi on dager
2. who cares of se or wc ? i said about buf not about the bufer
3. i dont disagree on other things that u posted

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 13, 2008 10:37 pm 
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By saying CoV>PoW u say WC is more important than SE.
Stop this argument. Good night.


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PostPosted: Mon Oct 13, 2008 11:44 pm 
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Shalana wrote:
By saying CoV>PoW u say WC is more important than SE.
Stop this argument. Good night.

Actually yes. WC > SE imotbh.
And CoV > PoWi in PvE for all classes.

Why? PoWi = 5% VR, 20% att speed 20% crit rate and crit dmg from behind
CoV = +20% pdef, 20% att speed, 10% p att, 20 % crit rate and dmg and better MAX HP (easier frenzy)

If you choose PoWi over CoV you're completely retarded imo.

When you pve you attack mobs from BEHIND? No you don't.
So PoWi ain't any good. Unless in small dagger pt.

You say you prefer the + 5% VR, right?
You'll get more HP back with CoV imo. Why? Better crit rate and dmg since you'll hit from front. More p att. You'll need VR less too. Cuz of more p def.

And who the fuck talked about CoV vs PoWi in pvp?
We talk about PvE/raid destro.

So dude, shut your mouth if you gonna spread bullshit around.
You like showing people how clueless you are? oO

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mariosxx wrote:
Shalana wrote:
By saying CoV>PoW u say WC is more important than SE.
Stop this argument. Good night.

Actually yes. WC > SE imotbh.
And CoV > PoWi in PvE for all classes.
Why? PoWi = 5% VR, 20% att speed 20% crit rate and crit dmg from behind
CoV = +20% pdef, 20% att speed, 10% p att, 20 % crit rate and dmg and better MAX HP (easier frenzy)
If you choose PoWi over CoV you're completely retarded imo.
When you pve you attack mobs from BEHIND? No you don't.
So PoWi ain't any good. Unless in small dagger pt.
You say you prefer the + 5% VR, right?
You'll get more HP back with CoV imo. Why? Better crit rate and dmg since you'll hit from front. More p att. You'll need VR less too. Cuz of more p def.
And who the fuck talked about CoV vs PoWi in pvp?
We talk about PvE/raid destro.
So dude, shut your mouth if you gonna spread bullshit around.
You like showing people how clueless you are? oO


Im not clueless airhead.
Im just saying my point.
Let's have an example.
My party:
Destroyer, BD, SE.
So see my opints u flaming little girl:
1. PoWi costs 5 spirit ores. CoV 40
2. As I said a million times. SE removes poison bleed anchor. WC doesn't.
3. Swift attack potions are very cheap IMO.
4.Dance of vampire +vampiric rage + PoWi = 22 % of inflicted damage regenerated as hp.----> No need for healing. WC vampiric regenerates only 9% of inflicted damage. With vapiric dance it is 17%
5. SE can rebuff u if u get your buffs cancelled. WC can't. ( no mana )
6. SE can recharge if u have no mana for frenzy (LOL XD)
7. Crit rate? Come on... CoV gives 20% to crit rate, that means if u have a two handed sword , your crit rate will increased with 16. W00t Such a big boost man! ( 2 handed sword base crit rate is 80)
8. CoV also increase P.def. Yep it is right, but if u have 22% vampiric u will have full hp all the time.
9. PoWi also gives u 20% attack speed, so u can't say that it is not good for frenzy.

So who is the clueless U moron? Shut your mouth if u gonna flame agaian. You just make yourself more and more ridicolous.
Oh and if u write another flaming post to me, Make your points clear to me. Because MY points are real. And if u don't agree i can understand, because WC is good too, but If i have SE i'm sure i will use her instead.
AND I SAY: WC IS GOOD! (but i will use SE)


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PostPosted: Tue Oct 14, 2008 2:45 pm 
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WC is better cuz.... Cov > powi for pve.
Crit rate / dmg from everywhere > from behind.
P def / m def / max hp / accuracy > VR and accuracy

And when you go raid you'll have sws/bd/wc/ee or bish and destro(s)
Mana isn't a problem. You'll hardly ever need to heal.
And w/ 22% heal isnt much better than 17%.
And lol at you for using spirit ores as excuse lmao.

As told before, WC > SE for Raid :P

Better crit dmg and better crit rate = better DPS = better hp back from VR.
Better p def = less need for VR.

You ain't gonna kill RB w/o songs/cov and couple nice equiped destros.
There's no reason to choose SE over WC.
If you still prefer SE, good for you. Everyone is free to play like a noob.

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C0ren (a titan) used PoWi for more speed in his vids from interlude

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 14, 2008 3:53 pm 
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mariosxx wrote:
WC is better cuz.... Cov > powi for pve.
Crit rate / dmg from everywhere > from behind.
P def / m def / max hp / accuracy > VR and accuracy

And when you go raid you'll have sws/bd/wc/ee or bish and destro(s)
Mana isn't a problem. You'll hardly ever need to heal.
And w/ 22% heal isnt much better than 17%.
And lol at you for using spirit ores as excuse lmao.

As told before, WC > SE for Raid :P

Better crit dmg and better crit rate = better DPS = better hp back from VR.
Better p def = less need for VR.

You ain't gonna kill RB w/o songs/cov and couple nice equiped destros.
There's no reason to choose SE over WC.
If you still prefer SE, good for you. Everyone is free to play like a noob.


Could u stop flaming for a second?
i will burn u with my flamethrower.
And i did many RB s with Shilien Saint. U are just too traditional to understand, because u have no independent thoughts, U do only ehat u see from others. So STFU.
I have a strange bad feeling that u doesn't even read my post just flame.
So i won't write u anymore.
And i never said SE>WC i said it is good too.
CoV is good, but i will never use it for farming. I don't want to lvl up a WC to 78 if i have an overall Shilien Saint which is simply the best buffer.
And i i said but can't admit if u are in crap, WC cant save u.
thats all. I don't wait your answer. I won't read this topic again. STFU and die in hell :*


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i never thought that i can read a bullshi7 bigger than that....powi>cov at raids=))))))))))))))))))))))....what is the reuse of powi my friend? u will need 3 min to buff all destro right??? its not just that simply Cov>powi becuz u do more damage with cov..its hilarious to go at raids with se as a buffer:))))

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atlant448 wrote:
agree
dex is the best , good with all fighters and all mages


don't agree.......

do you use +dex on glads??

don't think so......


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whatever dude , you guys are fucking idiot ........... i don't know on what server u guys play but it sounds pretty retarded to raid with powind :S
i prefer POF or COV for crit rate and btw powind has 3% VR effect i think


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U forget war/earth chant, realy WC is the best warrior / party mass buffer. Now shalana i know u like the SE, but there are some things it can`t do and a simple purify can`t compencate for the loss :) a WC will buff 9ppl party in 30secs. Raid are nor raided by a destro+bd :) ( more like 5 destroes +BD +tank + healer ) so lets end this its off-topic.

WC > all buffers (not only SE :D )

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SoulBender wrote:
i prefer POF or COV for crit rate and btw powind has 3% VR effect i think

Eitch tee tee pee *double points* slash slash el too pee dat el too u eitch dat see ou em.
http://l2p.l2wh.com/buffs.html for short. I think you're familiar with the ctrl + f button. Or if you're retarded you can search for it.
Powi = Accuracy +4, Evasion +4, Atk Speed +20%, Recover 5% of melee physical damage as HP, Critical +20% from behind, Critical Damage from behind +20%, Debuff Resistance +10% (/fail)
Pof = HP +20%, HP regen per tick +20%, P.Atk. +10%, P.Def. +20%, Accuracy +4, Speed -10%, Atk. Spd. +20%, Debuff Resistance +10%

What? Pof gives crt rate? /epic fail
Or that's just another exprimation mistake?

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Actually yes. WC > SE imotbh.
And CoV > PoWi in PvE for all classes.

Why? PoWi = 5% VR, 20% att speed 20% crit rate and crit dmg from behind
CoV = +20% pdef, 20% att speed, 10% p att, 20 % crit rate and dmg and better MAX HP (easier frenzy)

If you choose PoWi over CoV you're completely retarded imo.

When you pve you attack mobs from BEHIND? No you don't.
So PoWi ain't any good. Unless in small dagger pt.

You say you prefer the + 5% VR, right?
You'll get more HP back with CoV imo. Why? Better crit rate and dmg since you'll hit from front. More p att. You'll need VR less too. Cuz of more p def.

And who the fuck talked about CoV vs PoWi in pvp?
We talk about PvE/raid destro.

So dude, shut your mouth if you gonna spread bullshit around.
You like showing people how clueless you are? oO

Jesus, let's see. If somehow you have 10k hp, you have 12k with cov. 30% of 10k is 3k hp, 20% of 12k is 3.6k. Hmm WOW it's so crucial. And remember that condition. You will never get 10k base hp. You will get 7103 or less since nobody does +con for pve. As you say, +5 str -5 con, good for pve. 6205 hp. Oh yeah. That means that instead of 1861 hp needed for frenzy you will need 2205. So much indeed :> 350 hp wow.

And second please do tell me how you're gonna aoe with cov? You will run right? Oh yeah, you have frenzy, so you won't be satisfied with one room. You will get more. And guess what, you're gonna die even before you pack the mobs. I'd choose cov of course, but not for large scale aoe.

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