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 Post subject: Temple Knight/Shillien Knight -> Focus dagger
PostPosted: Tue Sep 21, 2010 3:35 pm 
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I've made a "few" calculations and testings, and a while ago came to a conclusion that TKs and SKs are ought to be used with dagger instead of sword. Most people would disagree at first blink, but I'll explain why is it much better if your TK/SK is buffed well.

"But you hit much harder with sword."

That's what most people say and think.

With dagger, your p.atk is lower. Even your accuracy is lower by 3,75 (OMFG what a difference, I think it's really not a big deal at higher levels). With crit buffs, guidance, haste, nothing can pair a focus dagger on a TK/SK. Despite the sword/blunt mastery.

Dagger is much faster -> more hits per second

Much more crits with focus dagger than with any sword -> more crits faster

Taking into account death whisper (+ dance of fire), a fast dagger has far better damage output than a sword because of the number and speed of crits.

Even L2Cals shows better DPS. (Like 402 with no SA sword, 435 with no SA dagger, same grade, same opponent, same buffs, etc)

I've tested this even with a stopwatch. Specific mob with no SA sword took ~19 seconds to kill in average. 20 mobs' average. Another 20 mobs of the same kind with no SA dagger: ~ 14,5 secs average.


It's clear if you experiment with this, you will see the difference too. I've got much hate for these thought so far, but please experiment to see it with you own eyes.


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 Post subject: Re: Temple Knight/Shillien Knight -> Focus dagger
PostPosted: Tue Sep 21, 2010 3:40 pm 
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U never played endgame on low rates?
With sword u can easily reach 1500 atk speed with SoS/FI or whatever skill and great fury and certificate haste. Yes a dager {PvP} would definetly come in handy on focus too.
But no sword is a must for the tank now. Tanks easily reach 1500 atk speed

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 Post subject: Re: Temple Knight/Shillien Knight -> Focus dagger
PostPosted: Tue Sep 21, 2010 6:05 pm 
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Btw with dager u cant use skills like judment/tribunual u cant use sting and more skills


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 Post subject: Re: Temple Knight/Shillien Knight -> Focus dagger
PostPosted: Tue Sep 21, 2010 6:09 pm 
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i have no idea how should i start flaming this joke... so just maybe... fail?

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 Post subject: Re: Temple Knight/Shillien Knight -> Focus dagger
PostPosted: Tue Sep 21, 2010 8:33 pm 
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no no its not a fail. But after gracia its not worthy anymore

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 Post subject: Re: Temple Knight/Shillien Knight -> Focus dagger
PostPosted: Wed Sep 22, 2010 7:43 pm 
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Its not fail if you want to use it to cancel buffs, but saying that dagger>sword has better dps for tanks is fail

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 Post subject: Re: Temple Knight/Shillien Knight -> Focus dagger
PostPosted: Wed Sep 22, 2010 10:46 pm 
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so its very simple
nowadays u use dagger ONLY if it has HASTE and PVP-u cancel the buffs and u switch to sword- its ur main weapon(focus ofc)!


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 Post subject: Re: Temple Knight/Shillien Knight -> Focus dagger
PostPosted: Sun Oct 03, 2010 8:22 pm 
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Alundra wrote:
I've made a "few" calculations and testings, and a while ago came to a conclusion that TKs and SKs are ought to be used with dagger instead of sword. Most people would disagree at first blink, but I'll explain why is it much better if your TK/SK is buffed well.

"But you hit much harder with sword."

That's what most people say and think.

With dagger, your p.atk is lower. Even your accuracy is lower by 3,75 (OMFG what a difference, I think it's really not a big deal at higher levels). With crit buffs, guidance, haste, nothing can pair a focus dagger on a TK/SK. Despite the sword/blunt mastery.

Dagger is much faster -> more hits per second

Much more crits with focus dagger than with any sword -> more crits faster

Taking into account death whisper (+ dance of fire), a fast dagger has far better damage output than a sword because of the number and speed of crits.

Even L2Cals shows better DPS. (Like 402 with no SA sword, 435 with no SA dagger, same grade, same opponent, same buffs, etc)

I've tested this even with a stopwatch. Specific mob with no SA sword took ~19 seconds to kill in average. 20 mobs' average. Another 20 mobs of the same kind with no SA dagger: ~ 14,5 secs average.


It's clear if you experiment with this, you will see the difference too. I've got much hate for these thought so far, but please experiment to see it with you own eyes.

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