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 Post subject: Anti-Shit Campaign
PostPosted: Sun Jul 12, 2015 7:04 pm 
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This is to help raise awareness about how horrible the majority of private servers are out there, not only do most of these servers lack originality and thought, they also use overwhelmingly immoral tricks/scams/cheats to get players/keep players. This is coming from a server owner that has successful server that has been running over 5 years now, and from a player point of view from when I was a player before that. I will not mention my server name, this is not an advertisement, this is to notify communities to evaluate where they play, and how supporting these abysmal practices only makes it worse. This is for all the legitimate, and honest servers that are out there (which there are very few).

If the server you play on, or are considering to playing on, does one or more of these things, they are much more likely to be corrupt, which means giving items to their friends, and just overall rigging things. Additionally, they are more likely to provide horrible GM Support and be extremely rude, and may not answer any sort of emails or messages you send them to help resolve a problem.

Fake Online players example 1: Many servers make it where it says much more people are online then are actually there.

Fake Online players example 2: Many servers don't take the time and effort to stop botters/fight them, or simply don't care at all about them, thus they have more online which are not really there, they are just botting, thus creating the illusion that more are online. Botters are not real players.

Fake Online players example 3: Often times these so called "big" servers create/buy/request special code and scripts that create fake players standing around in town or in farmzones or where ever they want, some servers even have them coded where these fake players move around once in a while to make you believe they are real. Go ahead and Google "fake online count l2j" you will likely find some threads on max cheaters or other websites people trying to request/buy codes that do this...

Advertising Contests: You have probably seen this before, many servers have some sort of contest ran by the staff, often times on their forums, they give you some text/information about their server and they want you to post it in as many places as possible, including other server's Facebook pages, other servers forums, and more. The more they do it, the more they get rewarded, often with donation credit/gold bars. So basically its paid vandalism/spam, and legit forums and Facebook page are a victim of this trash almost everyday.

Advertising Bots: Some servers make bots (and/or hires bots) to log into other servers that sends automated in game mails to other players advertising their server. So if you get an un-solicited in game mail, on any server, that advertises another server, we would suggest ignore that advertisement, it simply means that server chooses to use immoral practices.

Social Media Tricks/Exploits: Some big servers, well known ones, have their websites code set up where it will automatically make you like their page on Facebook if you have your Facebook set up to auto log in. I'm not talking about the Facebook pop up and you accidentally clicking it, im talking about specific code to automatically make you like it with out your knowledge what so ever. This is them exploiting you and using you for extra/free advertisement. Check your likes on Facebook, did you actually "like" those servers? If not, they probably exploited you.

Constant Wipes/Closing/Renaming: Many players believe wipes every 2-6 months is healthy/normal. I strongly disagree, wipes are disrespecting your players and their time playing on that server, Wipes are for lazy admins/developers that don't know what their doing and lack the ability to design a server for the long term. Wipes are great for unbalanced servers that end up where only people who played their the longest can be the best. Wiping is a good way for greedy admins to make money, once the money doesn't flow as much though sometimes they close the server, then re-name the server and re-open claiming its a new/different server to try and get money again. My server for example has had 0 wipes and 5+ years, again this is not advertisement i will not mention my server, just saying its 100% possible if you use some common sense, and have programs to help new players etc.

DDoS attacking the competition: Many servers attack other servers with DDoS attacks, especially on targeted days like opening/sieges, this is mostly done by the competitions server, which has similar rates/demographics as theirs

So if you play a server that does any of these things, consider finding a new home. Stop supporting servers that do these things. Doing so could help them die out, and make them a less common problem. Playing on these servers runs you the risk of all your stuff being deleted and pretty much any moment, cause if their server does not do as well as they think it will close, or they will probably soon wipe anyway, so save yourself the hassle, and end this vicious cycle. To those who run servers, and are mostly out there to make money. Legitimate servers can make money too, you don't have to use horrible practices to run your business. If people see how hard you work, and you give them good GM support, they will still support your server, in fact, they may even support it more.

If there is any legit servers out there reading this, i encourage you to spread the word, and put this list in game, or in your forums, or both, to inform your players about this!


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 Post subject: Re: Anti-Shit Campaign
PostPosted: Mon Jul 13, 2015 8:32 am 
Heir

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Well... almost all servers are competition oriented, I mean they are like a race. All players start at the same time, race to the endgame and quit. That's what most players want. That's why they seek and join new servers, not servers that stay from 1-2 years ago or so.

There are some long term servers but the community wants competition. That's how I see the things.


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 Post subject: Re: Anti-Shit Campaign
PostPosted: Mon Jul 13, 2015 10:23 am 
Baron

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I thought competition is supposed to be about wars/pvp and not about who gets to endgame first. Is getting ahead more exciting than pvping? Having the advantage for a week or so means absolutely nothing...


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 Post subject: Re: Anti-Shit Campaign
PostPosted: Mon Jul 13, 2015 6:41 pm 
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You've described it perfectly.

I can understand those fake online counters - a lot of people join when they see decent online numbers, so this kind of increase the server population the final effect.

However those 'advertisement contests' are worst. Ugh. Nothing like abusing your own players to spam other forums. :lol:

It would be amazing if more people realized what you've said and stopped playing servers like Tales and Averia.

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 Post subject: Re: Anti-Shit Campaign
PostPosted: Sat Jul 18, 2015 12:43 am 
Vagabond

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Thanks for the support!

I am glad to see not everyone accepts this conduct most servers use as "ok"

Any posts here further supports fighting these poorly managed servers, and i appreciate that.


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 Post subject: Re: Anti-Shit Campaign
PostPosted: Sat Jul 18, 2015 3:10 am 
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Well said TheMoreYouKnow.
This is a perfect description of almost all private servers.

In fact, all of them are ran for money.
Start new server -> Get donations -> Donations over -> Wipe or close -> Repeat
I wanted to play on long term server, but I can't find any.
For long term I mean 4+ years.
There was similar server time ago, but now its owner is opening server after server, obviously for $$$.

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 Post subject: Re: Anti-Shit Campaign
PostPosted: Sat Jul 18, 2015 8:48 pm 
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rostislav wrote:
Well said TheMoreYouKnow.
This is a perfect description of almost all private servers.

In fact, all of them are ran for money.
Start new server -> Get donations -> Donations over -> Wipe or close -> Repeat
I wanted to play on long term server, but I can't find any.
For long term I mean 4+ years.
There was similar server time ago, but now its owner is opening server after server, obviously for $$$.


This is mostly true as far as server projects being for the money. But the community is also to blame for servers having such a short life. Clans and CPs rush to endgame than claim no competition and quit. They completely ignore the fact that most these days cannot go hardcore with drivers and such and those clans and players need time to catchup.

If the clans grow a brain and actually stick on a server than maybe we will see a server that lasts.

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 Post subject: Re: Anti-Shit Campaign
PostPosted: Sat Jul 25, 2015 11:39 pm 
Vagabond

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rostislav wrote:
Well said TheMoreYouKnow.
This is a perfect description of almost all private servers.

In fact, all of them are ran for money.
Start new server -> Get donations -> Donations over -> Wipe or close -> Repeat
I wanted to play on long term server, but I can't find any.
For long term I mean 4+ years.
There was similar server time ago, but now its owner is opening server after server, obviously for $$$.



This post isn't about people making money exactly, making money is not a problem, and i don't think a server should be considered un-legit if its making a money, but there is a difference between a legitimate business and someone taking advantage/lying to their customers, here are some examples

A guy that runs the gas station is not a bad guy just because hes running a business right? Hes working, and supply a service for consumers.

If the guy that runs the gas station says hes selling gas for 2.50 a gallon/liter yet charges you 2.75, its a scam and hes unlegit (like telling their players lies about online counts)

If the guy goes and throws a brick through the competitions window (a gas station down the streat), hes using immoral tactics to support his business (like spamming other servers forums/fb page/mails in game)

Running a server with out making a money is not realistic, you need funds for advertising, ddos protection, and hosting. Its necessarily, but putting stuff in the donation list that normal players can not get in game that changes gameplay, i would consider that un-legit.

But ya, the problem with most owners is that they are overly greedy/selfish and don't care about their players, so they will use any tactic they can think of to get more money.

I personally enjoy coding, and creating new conecepts, and seeing players enjoy what i have created, i like helping people (except for the occasional extremely rude player), i rather work on something i like then doing a job that i have no interest in.


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