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 Post subject: Re: Need Little advice from you ;)
PostPosted: Sat Jul 10, 2010 2:42 pm 
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Xmvp wrote:
str increases mainly the chance of crit skills
if u decrease str on dagger, it means that u have no idea what a dagger means or how to play one
hf & learn l2.

dont tell him that his c4 knowlege owns all he probly stil lthinks necro owns sph :D

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 Post subject: Re: Need Little advice from you ;)
PostPosted: Sat Jul 10, 2010 4:26 pm 
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BaMZziLIan wrote:
Xmvp wrote:
chose +5 str -5 con +4 wit -4 int
dont listen to c4 warriors who use -9 str

+ str for what?
so you can pve better?
If you bot you go +4 str
if you dont you make -str even though the meaning of str for dagger changed it doesnt make such a big difference
if you really go +str on high/end lvl dagger you are not better then the guys in ruoff movies using plated leather instead of their full element resist s80 set :)



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PostPosted: Sat Jul 10, 2010 4:36 pm 
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its easy to talk out of your ass
give me a link that shows the 5% and i believe you and admit that iam wrong till then keep insulting me with "c4 knowledge" makes me almost cry ;p

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 10, 2010 4:46 pm 
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BaMZziLIan wrote:
its easy to talk out of your ass
give me a link that shows the 5% and i believe you and admit that iam wrong till then keep insulting me with "c4 knowledge" makes me almost cry ;p

rofl whit each post u just fail more and more

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 10, 2010 5:05 pm 
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guzeris wrote:
BaMZziLIan wrote:
its easy to talk out of your ass
give me a link that shows the 5% and i believe you and admit that iam wrong till then keep insulting me with "c4 knowledge" makes me almost cry ;p

rofl whit each post u just fail more and more

and you are liek a broken tape using same "flames" if oyu can even name them like that over and over again but well w/e

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 10, 2010 8:31 pm 
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we cant let theflame die like this can we:

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 10, 2010 8:35 pm 
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MustLoveL2 wrote:
BaMZziLIan wrote:
Xmvp wrote:
chose +5 str -5 con +4 wit -4 int
dont listen to c4 warriors who use -9 str

+ str for what?
so you can pve better?
If you bot you go +4 str
if you dont you make -str even though the meaning of str for dagger changed it doesnt make such a big difference
if you really go +str on high/end lvl dagger you are not better then the guys in ruoff movies using plated leather instead of their full element resist s80 set :)



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PostPosted: Sat Jul 10, 2010 8:41 pm 
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BaMZziLIan wrote:
we cant let theflame die like this can we:

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try to find the dyes dmv uses atm in teon and then post :wink:


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PostPosted: Sat Jul 10, 2010 8:43 pm 
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he changed dyes long ago/ failed
and btw hes a fail dagger anyway

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 10, 2010 9:19 pm 
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guzeris wrote:
he changed dyes long ago/ failed
and btw hes a fail dagger anyway

proof?
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try to find the dyes dmv uses atm in teon and then post :wink:


He cant play for a year or so afaik
cant contact ;<

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 10, 2010 9:36 pm 
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-str on a dagger is soooo outdated ... just face the facts. A dagger with -4 str compared to a dagger with up to +4 str will have like 2 times(it's just an example, some1 should do the math and say exact %) less ubercrits.


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 11, 2010 3:47 pm 
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woot dramabear

Attention this answer is supposed to answer all the initial dye questions-> WALL OF TEXT


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This is discostu:
http://www.megavideo.com/?d=X628AYI7

should be somekinda known anyhow

Ofc i just could leave that here and claim that iam the mega pro and act like i was right all along but that would be too much guzeris style

I dont have a problem in being wrong but i have a problem with tards like guzeris ("lol c4 knowledge", "you play ever epilouge jajajaj")

Since i like to broaden my horizon:
I ofc did a bit more research and thats what ill confront you with->

As fully stacked dagger( All boss juwels anthy+zaken) below 85 you can go +str -con but shouldnt go +dex additionally cos that would gimp your con too much even though you have epics
In the case of Dark Elves (GhostHunter) its kinda different cos they have low con and high str to begin with

After you hit lvl 85 as fully stacked dagger (all boss juwels) you have the choice to go +dex instead of +str because of the +evasion to make the gap even higher between yourself and the lower lvl players (evasion plays a bigger role then ever before as you might know)

So Daggers like LordChronic/ForTheMotherTree +Squeez( to name few) went +dex -con after hitting max lvl but again they are fully stacked

So if you wont have both anti stun jewels gimping con for str isnt a good choice because you ll stay in perma stun so you either go -str +con or leave your char untouched without dyes

Alternatively there was the suggestion of LordChronic to go -dex +str or +con in case of olympiad(for oly only) since the arena is very small depending on your class (if you are elf you have a high base runspeed anyways)

But what effect does str have on dagger classes exactly?
Me and guzeris( he can claim what he wants afterwards) thought its skill crit chance +lethal chance but it seems to have more positvive effects:

DiegoVargas wrote:
+STR gives patk, skill crit rate, skill mastery proc rate, and lethal strike chance.

If you can get enough patk, (i.e dual daggers) you will notice an increase in stab damage going +STR.

Skill Crit rate is influenced STR, l2p.l2wh.com has a STR table, base skill crit rate is 15% for double damage.

STR makes skill mastery fire more often given you double duration hide/UE or instant refresh skills (like stabs).

STR influences lethal strike rate which can be quite dramatic if you have buffs like mortal strike or passives like assassination already amping your lethal rate.


I hope this helps in your decision of choosing dyes for your char.

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 Post subject: Re: Need Little advice from you ;)
PostPosted: Sun Jul 11, 2010 3:55 pm 
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yep, +str -con


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 11, 2010 4:00 pm 
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MustLoveL2 wrote:
yep, +str -con

Somehow i have the feeling that you didnt even read it or you just tryto troll with the lulz face in your avatar
Anyways i mainly posted it to answer the guy in the initial post or ppl who might have similiar questions not to win an argument ;p else i would have stopped after the screenshoot :)

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 11, 2010 4:21 pm 
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MustLoveL2 wrote:
yep, +str -con

+1

i read ur post but +str makes a much bigger difference
evasion is indeed very important nowadays but it only helps mostly with melee attacks and now almost every single class attacks with skills all the time during pvps[at least with skills that does not consume so much mp considering mass pvps/sieges]
not to mention magic/debuffs /care about evasion and skill evasion is only effective during an appropiate buff which is afaik not affected by evasion at any rate anyway
+str -con is enough
even at high lvls, y the gap for lower lvl players makes difference, but it also means that u can kill them easier


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